052: wolf children, motherhood, & learning to let go | cryable anime with gabe (pt. 2)
This week, we're back with Gabe (@daemoncorps) for part 2 of our cryable anime series.
Arns takes us through Mamoru Hosoda's 2012 masterpiece Wolf Children, a heartbreaking story following one mother's journey raising two half-human, half-wolf children all on her own. Beneath this single mother's relentless optimism lies a bittersweet understanding: that the greatest gift we can give a loved one isn't just sacrifice, but the freedom to choose who they want to be.
Note: this is the conclusion of our two-part cryable anime series with Gabe. Check out episode 051 (part 1) for Nins' coverage of 5 Centimeters per Second.
About our guest: Gabe is a Filipino American, Bay Area-based, self-taught artist. A talented writer, he draws us in with his compelling video essays: some hot takes, others deeply emotional, but all incredibly thoughtful. Visit Gabe's portfolio or follow along on Instagram to learn more about him and his work.
In this episode:
Wolf Children (2012) & Mamoru Hosoda
motherhood, identity, & unconditional love
learning when to hold on—and when to let go
anime as emotional storytelling
stories showing the complexity and messiness of parenthood
letting go as the ultimate act of trust and love
Chapters:
0:00: Preview
2:00: Welcome back to Gabe & introducing part 2
7:39: Why Gabe recommended Wolf Children to Arns
10:37: Arns breaks down Wolf Children (extreme spoiler alert!)
29:13: Ame's arc & the soul-crushing ending of Wolf Children
38:41: What does it mean to be a parent?
42:16: The complexity of parenthood in Wolf Children
53:13: Diversify your pop culture
54:39: Gabe's cry rec
58:39: Gift giving & goodbye, Gabe!
Referenced in this episode:
Mamoru Hosoda's 2012 animated film Wolf Children
Gabe's portfolio
Gabe's list of cryable anime
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Speaker 6: 00:00
Heaving, uncontrollable sobs. I I sat quietly twenty minutes. I couldn't fuck It was insane, Gabe.
Speaker 2: 00:08
I feel like people need to treat their pop culture the way they treat their diets. You can't just have junk food every day. You gotta eat some vegetables every once in a while. You gotta watch a moving picture with words at the bottom. I like cereal. On paper, this would sound like one of those like smuddy romance novels.
Speaker: 00:25
Or it's just like a wolf. I'm just a holy gal. Just I just wanna go one of my classes.
Speaker 3: 00:32
So bubbly. I'm like, he's so moody, but like smile too bad.
Speaker 4: 00:42
This is BRB Crying.
Speaker 6: 00:54
Hello everyone, and welcome back to BRB Crying. I'm Arns and I'm Nins.
Speaker 4: 01:00
And here we are again, ready to cry and why once more. She did it, y'all. I've said that before. That's okay. But you put me under pressure, so I'm just gonna fucking of all the 50 other versions of me explaining what this podcast is about, I'm gonna recycle. Cry and Why is one of my favorites, I must say.
Speaker 6: 01:20
Okay. Baddies with saddies. Baddies with sadties. I think that's a good one. That's also a good one, too. I love baddies with saddies. Yeah. If we could rebrand our podcast and we had to rank which ones we would rebrand to, I think baddies with saddies is pretty high up for me.
Speaker 4: 01:33
You know what's so interesting? Considering like how much time I spend like editing the podcast, the amount of times that you have wanted to rebrand. Constantly staying like, what is she saying? We're gonna change.
Speaker 6: 01:45
Does she not does she not like us as we are? Yeah.
Speaker 4: 01:48
Anyway, here we are again. Here we are again with a new story for you explaining why we cried. But for our faithful listeners,
Speaker 4: 02:00
you will know that this is actually part two of a collaboration that we are doing with our friend Gabe, owner of the Demon Core YouTube video essay account where he explains anime. Beautifully said. Thank you. I'm so good at this. Um, we had the time of our lives last episode. First, getting to know Gabe and how he came to do this work, and then I shared a story of one of his anime recommendations called Five Centimeters per second. So please, if you have not listened to that episode, take a look. It's episode 51. And today we are going to do part two of that because we literally talked for two plus hours, and I was like, it's too fucking bad. We had to cut it off. We have to cut it off.
Speaker 6: 02:50
But really, truly, please go back and listen to that because we get into a lot with Gabe, and he talks about why he started his YouTube channel, like what prompted him, him being an artist. It's it's so good. And it was such an honestly for me unexpected conversation. I didn't know we were gonna get into that. And I was like, oh, let's keep this going. Let's keep this going. So please, please, please listen, and it'll I think lay the context for why the fuck we're even doing part two today. Yeah.
Speaker 4: 03:19
It was just too good. We couldn't cut that out. No. We had to put that in the episode. Exactly. We are now going to be highlighting Arns' story, um, which she'll cover in a bit.
Speaker 6: 03:31
Well, first, I wanna say if you are new here, welcome. If you're old here, welcome back, Cry Babies. If you don't already follow us on socials, we are at beerbecrying.podcast everywhere. And that is where, especially on Instagram, that is where we highlight all of the events, anything like on our calendar that we're doing. So follow us on there and keep tabs on us. Okay.
Speaker 4: 03:54
All right, let's bring back our celebrated crybaby. The one. The one.
Speaker 6: 04:02
The only the only Gabe.
Speaker 2: 04:14
Hello, Gabe. Hello, Gabe. Welcome back to Beer Be Crying. Glad to be back. Honestly, it was so tempting to like from the back chair that people don't see, just like come crashing in and just knocking everything over. No, but honestly, like I feel like I was never the messy kid to do that type of thing. But I feel like because of that, now I'm just like, oh no, I need to like knock this shelf over.
Speaker 5: 04:39
Yeah, yeah. I mean, feel free, but like we're not gonna have a fucking episode to publish if you do that shit.
Speaker 6: 04:45
So well, again, thank you for being here. I know this is a pretty long, long recording for you. I know you didn't know what you were signing up for when you said you were gonna come here, but I have no idea they would be.
Speaker 2: 04:58
They're keeping me here, guys. They're keeping me. It's a Blair Witch situation. I'm gonna be standing in the court.
Speaker 6: 05:04
I genuinely hope that this is better than you could have ever dreamed.
Speaker 2: 05:09
It honestly is. Like, um, I I think I did mention this in one of the emails that we sent to each other. Uh but one of my love language, I think, is forcing other people to watch what I tell them to watch. They're my like recommendations. I agree with that. Yeah, like people never do it. My friends don't do it anymore. They're just like, I'm busy playing this video game. And I'm just like, you need to stop doing that and stop start listening to Beer Be Crying, first off, and start listening to me. And yet they don't.
Speaker 6: 05:40
Yeah, well, that's why you had to reach out to us.
Speaker 2: 05:42
That really is the main reason.
Speaker 6: 05:44
Yeah, yeah. We'll respond.
Speaker 2: 05:47
They'll do it. Uh there's too many niceties they need to obey. They can't say no.
Speaker 6: 05:51
Exactly, exactly. Yeah, actually, we're working on boundaries, we're working on that. So that's actually true.
Speaker 2: 05:56
Respect people's boundaries, listeners.
Speaker 4: 05:59
Just have some spatial awareness, yeah, social awareness, emotionally take a second.
Speaker 2: 06:05
Just take one second to take yourself out of the situation and think, did that person's eyes dart to the door for a reason?
Speaker 4: 06:12
Yeah, that now we are lecturing on listeners. We're foregoing the anime story. Instead, this is gonna be a social etiquette podcast. It needs to be done.
Speaker 2: 06:25
If you don't want to stare directly at a person, you look at their shoulder. That's the strategy. Because if you look at their nose, it's too centered.
Speaker 4: 06:35
I look dead in the eye.
Speaker 2: 06:36
No.
Speaker 4: 06:37
Yeah, we do a little bit of that.
Speaker 6: 06:39
I look dead in the eye. Yeah. Yeah. So once again, I just want to reiterate if y'all have not listened to our past episode, Gabe got into some juicy ass shit. He talked about like going viral twice on YouTube and the backstory behind that. Some crazy person was just so fucking rude to him. You gotta listen though. I'm not gonna talk about it here. So you gotta listen to the last episode.
Speaker 4: 07:02
Do you want that cuckoo context about how Gabe started his channel? It is real it really is worth the listen. And then you'll come back to this episode fully ready for us to jump in to part two.
Speaker 6: 07:17
Yes. Okay, so Gabe, we're gonna we're gonna let Gabe give a little bit of cuckoo-ka context. He's gonna talk about why he recommended this specific anime for me to watch. And I will pass the baton to Gabe.
Speaker 2: 07:39
Hmm,
Speaker 2: 07:39
so some cuckuk context for the dear crybabies out there. Mamura Hosera is another of those anime directors where they're good at exactly one thing.
Speaker 5: 07:52
Oh my god, Gabe, are you just like this is slander? People are gonna block us for this. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: 07:59
This is why people follow me for the hot takes. Okay. Uh and yet nobody cares because that one thing is very, very good.
Speaker 4: 08:07
Okay, Gabe. Okay, copy and paste it. For for those of you that are confused, Gabe literally said the same exact thing about the anime he recommended for me to watch. That's why we're insane. He literally just changed the name, but it was the same sentence.
Speaker 2: 08:24
Find and replace the compound.
Speaker 5: 08:26
He couldn't even look for an exponent to find and replace.
Speaker 2: 08:31
Oh my god. As far back as his work on the Digimon franchise, it was clear Hosura had a deep understanding of family being able to scoop out drama and story from such seemingly mundane moments. Exchange between siblings or parents. And I would say nothing captures his understanding of the subject better than Wolf Children, the most unabashedly parent-coded of his works. I feel like it would be trite to say that Wolf Children is only accessible to parents. Because at its core, the level of parenthood discussed in the movie is attained through resilience, an attribute we all rely on in our darkest of times. In the movie, main character Hana's insistence on smiling through her hardships makes this visual disparity that much striking and hits harder every time she does so.
unknown: 09:33
Alright.
Speaker 3: 09:35
I'm scared.
Speaker 6: 09:37
You don't know.
Speaker 2: 09:38
You don't you didn't watch, right?
Speaker 6: 09:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Alright, so as Gabe alluded, today I'm gonna be talking about wolf children. I want to open up my segment by saying that there were three words repeating in my head throughout my entire viewing of this movie. Any guesses? I love ninz, probably.
Speaker 4: 10:01
Any guesses? Uh actually it was Gabe, you motherfucker.
Speaker 6: 10:08
Oh, I'm glad. When you walk because when you walk into a movie about a mother raising her wolf children, and you see that it has a 95% on rotten tomatoes, you think, I'll probably cry. I did not expect heaving, uncontrollable sobs. I co I sat quietly 20 minutes. I couldn't fuck it was insane, Gabe. I'm so sorry, but also that's amazing.
Speaker 7: 10:36
So my God.
Speaker 7: 10:37
Okay, okay. Now we can get into it. Okay.
Speaker 6: 10:39
All right. So general spoiler alert. I am leaving nothing on the table. We are getting into all of it. Major plot points, I'm showing the fucking ending. I don't give a shit. So if you don't want any spoilers, go to HBO, Apple TV, any other streaming device, purchase that little add-on to watch this.
Speaker 2: 10:57
There's a little something that all the all the anime fans out there uh coily refer to as the cat site if you don't feel like uh paying money easy.
Speaker 7: 11:09
We're gonna very subtly talk about yeah. So go to the cat site. Ooh. And he loves cats.
unknown: 11:14
Okay. I love cats.
Speaker 6: 11:18
Okay. All right, so go and watch it however you want, and then come back to this episode and drop a little line about how you two had your heart ripped out of your chest. Okay, so Wolf Children is a 2012 animated film by Mamoru Hosura. I was not familiar with this director, as Gabe said, Digimon franchise. I personally never watched Digimon. But the vibe to me was very Ghibli, which I'm happy you mentioned, because I was like, I don't know if you had ever seen any Ghibli films. So I wrote here, you know, if you've ever seen Spirited Away, How's Moving Castle, Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, all very famous movies. It's very similar.
Speaker 2: 12:00
It's very every frame of painting. Yes.
Speaker 6: 12:03
Okay. Dreamy, magical, the soundtrack, stunning landscapes, depictions of nature, and really strong female protagonists. Okay. Okay, we're gonna fucking get into it. So the opening scene of this film finds us in a meadow. A young woman lies in a field, the breeze floating through her hair. She sees the silhouette of a wolf walking towards her. And then the silhouette transforms into that of a man. And the narrator says, This is a story about my mother, and it's true. Every word of it. The man she fell in love with was also a wolf. I'm gonna show the scene here because it's fucking stunning and it deserves it deserves a a viewing. Okay, we're gonna stop. Okay, so I didn't even know walking into this, did not know what this is about. I don't like knowing before I watch things. So when I'm watching this, like I don't know what the fuck it is about anime soundtracks, but I started crying, like just this opening scene, like the music. Oh my god, I didn't even know what the fuck was happening. I just wanted to show you that because it's fucking stunning. Um so in this film, we have Hana. She's a young woman in college, somewhere in Tokyo, and she is working to make ends meet while she's going to college. So we see her, we she goes to class, she goes to work. And then one day during a lecture, she spots a mysterious young man across the room. He doesn't have a textbook, and when she chases after him, he says he's not even a student. He's guarded, but all that does, of course, is just pique Hana's interest and draws her in further. And this man cannot deny her. There is this stubborn optimism about her that feels so contrarian to his quiet, isolated existence. She is this persistent ray of sunshine that melts away the edges of his stone-cold heart.
Speaker 4: 14:07
I was gonna say, this is twilight-coated, but Bella is not sunshine. So yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2: 14:14
It's very much like you would on paper, this would sound like one of those like smuddy romance novels.
Speaker: 14:19
Or it's just like a wolf. Yeah, holy gal. Just I just want to go into my classes.
Speaker 3: 14:27
So bubbly. And like he's so moody, but like smile to find me only when I'm gonna do it. Like me.
Speaker 6: 14:37
Hana.
Speaker 2: 14:39
That's what the dub sounds like.
Speaker 6: 14:41
Fucking insane. Guys, I'm trying to sell a fucking story here. Okay. Okay, so so he lets her in. Slowly, helplessly, they fall in love. But one evening, he does not show up at their usual meetup spot. She waits for him anyway. Hours later, in the dead of night, he finally shows up, and my girl is posted up in front of like a supermarket. That's where she's waiting for him, like her head down. Everyone has left. The streets are empty, but she looks up at him always with a smile, no matter how hard her life gets. And he decides he cannot hide his secret any longer. So he brings her to the mountains under a star-studded sky, and he reveals his true nature. He is half man, half wolf. He's the last of his kind, and for that reason, he has led an isolated existence. I'm gonna show you a scene here just because it feels important, and it is around the 11-minute mark.
Speaker 8: 15:49
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 6: 15:52
Okay. So in this scene, the narrator, who we can tell, is Hana's daughter, says about her father. He told her that changing under the full moon and attacking people were the stuff of dusty myths and bad movies. My mother knew the world was full of mysteries, but his heart wasn't one of them. So even knowing the truth, that doesn't change anything for Hannah. That night they sleep together for the first time. And it's the beginning of a dream. They start to build a home together. They wander the aisles of the grocery store, they cook for each other, they share meals. He's never really had a home because his parents, you know, he again, isolated existence, no one really understands him. And so he picks flowers on his walks, they they set it out in these little vases, and then one day Hanna is overcome with a violent nausea. She's pregnant. But she and her lover, they call him Wolf Man. He doesn't really have a name, but they get through it together. They end up giving birth at home because Hannah honestly has no idea if the creature that's going to emerge from her will be a human or a wolf pup.
Speaker 2: 17:18
It's very valid.
Speaker 6: 17:20
This film does a great job of thinking what are the precarious situations that a half wolf family would find themselves in.
Speaker 2: 17:28
But just so we're clear, the listener, please go to the doctor when you're giving away.
Speaker 6: 17:34
This is not medical advice. Um we are we are not medical functioners.
Speaker 4: 17:41
If you two got the medical assistance. Okay. We're just trying to cover our asses here.
Speaker 6: 17:46
All right. Okay, so the night their baby girl, Yuki, is born, their family of two grows into a family of three. And very shortly after, they find out they're actually gonna be a family of four. It is this brief period of joy and wonder and possibility and love. Again, absolute dream for everyone. But as we know, dreams end. That next spring, when their son Ame is born, Yuki and Ame's dad, Wolfman, sets out and he never comes back. Hana immediately senses that something is wrong. In a panic, she straps both kids onto her. She has Yuki, her older one, on her back, and Ame, her fucking newborn, strapped to her chest. And then they trudge through the rain, scouring every inch of the city streets. When finally Hana sees it. I'm not gonna play this because it's just fucking it's too tragic. But she is walking on this little overpass above this like river that runs through the city, and in it she spies a wolf's lifeless body. His eyes open, blank. He's being pulled from the river and unceremoniously dumped into the back of a truck. And Hanna is screaming, sobbing, trying to stop them. But what could she even say? How could she even begin to explain this man is my lover? This man is the father of my children. So she has no choice but to head back home in shock. Is he like hit by a They don't know? They're like we don't know if it was some sort of primal instinct to go out and fetch prey to feed his newborn child.
Speaker 2: 19:35
But he's the movie does this a lot too, where it I didn't even like realize this until you brought up the line. But when Hanna says like he he was never a mystery to me, the that's that's kind of sprinkled throughout the rest of the movie where there are going to be gaps for you, the viewer, where you keep thinking, like, how how did this happen?
Speaker 8: 19:58
Yeah.
Speaker 2: 19:58
But the fact of the matter is that the movie is framed from Hanna's perspective. So for her, this isn't a mystery. There's no mysteries with her. There's nothing to explain. Yeah, there's nothing to explain. It's just understood. It's just understood. Damn, Gabe.
Speaker 1: 20:12
Gabe, you motherfucker.
Speaker 6: 20:13
Okay. So Hanna heads back home in shock. She is now saddled with two babies. Not a single soul on earth to help her. Because no one can know their secret. But she soldiers on, taking it one day at a time, trying her best to keep a smile on her face. I'm so sorry. I have a logistical question.
Speaker 4: 20:35
Are the babies also able to transform at will? So they look human sometimes? Yes.
Speaker 6: 20:43
And they can transform into wolves. I would say it's not really at will at the beginning because they can't really control when when they get excited, they transform into a wolf pup and they start like running around and fighting things and tantrums sometimes. Tantrums, or like they're sometimes when they're like when they're asleep, they're knocked out and they're like, they're wolves. And so she really can't. I mean, they're going out in public. She has to keep their hoods on them because she doesn't know when suddenly they're gonna transform. They have fucking ears, you know? Okay. So we watch Hannah struggling to keep things afloat, running after a toddler while breastfeeding a newborn. She is bone-tired. She falls asleep literally any chance she can get. Anytime there's a moment of quiet, she's like like nodding off. It's crazy, but it makes sense. And she's doing all these chores around the house. There's a scene where she's like trying to do a load of laundry eat, but she can't even pour the fucking detergent in because she's like standing there and she's like, and then the baby's strapped to her. And then at the end of it all, she says and she's she kind of wakes up out of her diggings and she's like, We're okay, we're okay. And it's like, dude, she is just this is how she's getting through it every single day. Meanwhile, we are watching Yuki, her eldest daughter, blossom into toddlerhood, and she's clearly confined by their tiny city apartment. Whenever Yuki gets excited, she Transforms against her will into a wolf, which in turn gets Ame, the little brother, excited. And so these two little pups are literally fucking howling in their apartment, like, oh, and like she's stairs neighbor behavior, baby. She is getting complaints. The landlord's like, I said no pets. And she's like, How do I? What do I what the fuck am I supposed to say to that? I don't have pets. These are my children.
Speaker 2: 22:25
I just like to howl, okay.
Speaker 6: 22:26
Yeah. And there are so many other, as I mentioned, precarious situations. This film does a really interesting job of envisioning what must it be like to have wolf children and put them in like a city and like real life problems, right? There's like, there's welfare checks because these people, like the government, presumably, is like, hello, you've never brought your kid to the doctor. Are they okay? And she's like, they're trying to edge their way into the door, and she's like, no, no, no, you can't get it. And she like shuts the door on them because, like, pans to the children, and they're asleep, dead asleep, and they're in their wolf form. She's like, I can't, I can't let anyone see this. And then, like, there's one scene where Yuki gets sick. She eats a fucking silica packet, again, relatable. And Hana finds herself at a crossroads. She goes down to Hannah. A literal crossroads. She's like, Do I take them to the pediatrician or do I take them to the vet? She literally can't decide because she's like, I don't know what to do with these children. I've never, I've never raised wolves before. It's insane. But again, this is her real life. She doesn't know what to do. But as Yuki and Ame grow, Hana cannot deny that they need to get out of the city. They can't be here anymore. To deny their wolfhood in favor of their humanness isn't honoring what they truly are, which is both. And if they are both, they deserve the chance to explore both, to decide for themselves who they are and what they want to be. So I'm gonna show you a really quick scene here, and this is the 28-minute mark. In this scene, Yuki and Ame are running around a huge field, and Hana calls them over and she says, If you could be one thing, would you be people or wolves? And they kind of look at her curious, and she says, Maybe we should move. I want you to have that choice. So we find ourselves deep in the countryside, touring the most run-down house. It is practically uninhabitable, leaky roof, layers of grime, but the electrical still works. So Hana's like, I'll fucking take it. And Yuki is so excited. She's over the moon. She cannot believe that this is where they get to live now. She's running freely through the fields, she's transforming from girl to wolf to girl to wolf. Meanwhile, Ame, her sweet, sensitive boy, looks up at Hana and is like, When can we go back? And so we watch as this mother, with two very different kids in tow, slowly, steadily, persistently makes this house into a home. It's a struggle, and Hana can only stretch their dollar so far. So ever our resourceful gal, she picks up some books from the library and she teaches herself how to garden because they have all the space, all these fields, and she's she's trying, she keeps planting, but the crops keep dying. Meanwhile, the surrounding neighbors are all so skeptical. They're like, another city girl who's not gonna last, just like the rest of them. So that they're kind of waiting for Hannah to make her exit, but she keeps trying and trying, and finally they can't take it anymore. They have to help her, they can't watch her struggle anymore. So one by one, the neighbors start like giving her pointers. There's this one old grandpa who's he's like so mean and tough, but he's like, This is how you plant the potatoes. And he's like, you know, he he's barking these orders at her while she's like toiling away.
Speaker 2: 25:46
And he's like the best.
Speaker 6: 25:48
Yeah, yeah. And these potatoes, finally, something grows and it's beautiful. And Hannah has so much that she offers them to her neighbors, and in turn, they give her food, and they start coming by with bags and bags of produce, and her fridge is so tiny, and they're like, that won't do. We got a spare massive fridge here.
Speaker 4: 26:11
Where the fuck was this energy when she moved in? Is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: 26:14
Where the fuck they needed her to pass her test. You know?
Speaker 6: 26:18
Yes. But you know, so they they come and they they swap out the fridge, and she has like more food than she knows what to do with. And for the first time since I realized Wolfman passed, Hanna's life feels abundant. And I want to pause here and I will show you my, I think maybe my favorite scene in the whole film. Yeah. This, you know. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know I had to show this. It's so good. So this is right after all that beautiful, abundant, like all the food is coming in, everything is good. And this is their first winter ever.
Speaker 2: 26:51
So you feel like ASMR of the potatoes coming out of the ground, also. And I just that is great.
Speaker 6: 26:57
That is great. No, but I'm gonna show you. Maybe you don't know what I'm gonna show.
Speaker 2: 27:00
Oh, never mind.
Speaker 6: 27:00
Yeah, I was gonna show that. I actually had it listed, but then I was like, this is too long. I had to cut the potato scene. Yeah, I know. But what I'm gonna show is what right after this, and it is their first winter ever, Hana, Yuki, and Ame wake up to fresh piles of snow, unlike anything they have ever seen before. And it starts off with them flinging themselves into this fresh powder, but then quickly escalates into them sprinting through the dead quiet of this snow-covered mountainside. So this is about a three-minute clip around the 53-minute mark.
unknown: 27:36
Okay.
Speaker 6: 27:37
So, in this scene, they are zipping through the snow, tumbling down the mountain at full speed, and wolves that they are, they are howling at the top of their lungs into these clear skies. First, our brazen Yuki howls, then our timid Ame even howls, and then like the true mother of two wolf pups, Hana howls too. And as they laugh with joy into this brisk winter air, you realize that never in their lives have these three experienced such exhilarating freedom. And we know that despite all the struggle, it's all been worth it. So later that day, as they head back from their little adventure, something terrifying actually happens. Ame is riding the high of feeling invincible. So he kind of follows his instinct and pounces upon some wild prey near the river. Except he trips and falls into the river, and he almost dies, like they almost lose him. But after that moment, some irreversible switch is flipped within Ame. For the first time ever, he is awakened to his wolf nature. Yuki, on the other hand, who has always been all about her wolfishness, is starting to tamper down on this unbridled wolf nature because more than anything, she wants to go to school and fit in and just honestly be a girl. So we see this really interesting dynamic play out for the rest of the film, where it's almost this reversal of roles with Yuki and Ame. And at
Speaker 6: 29:13
this point, I want to shift focus specifically towards Ame's character arc, pretty much for the rest of the story. Because this is what fucked me up. But please watch it because Yuki's story is so good too. I just like, if I knew we were gonna split this into two episodes, maybe I would have talked about both, but we're we're gonna just talk about Ame here. So while Yuki's suppressing her wolfish urges so she can fit in among the humans, Ame is straight up skipping out on school. He's not feeling it, and he he wants to just explore the mountains. He's always been so timid and sensitive. So when that wolfish nature is awakened within him, he begins to retreat into another side of himself that Hana can't quite understand.
Speaker 2: 29:56
The montage where it like shifts back and forth between the classes as the like kids slowly get older.
Speaker 6: 30:03
Yeah.
Speaker 2: 30:03
And like you see that like Ame isn't fitting in is just so like heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: 30:09
Meanwhile, Yuki's at the front of the class, surrounded by all her friends, wearing her pretty new dresses. Yeah. But Ame, he keeps kind of retreating into the mountains and he keeps talking about his mentor, whom he calls sensei. Ame has been spending all his days with sensei instead of going to school. Sensei has been teaching Ame all about the cycles of life, being one with nature. And Ame holds such reverence for him. And Hana is like, you know, you talk about Sensei all the time. I would love to meet him.
Speaker 4: 30:40
Uh yeah, who is this? And it really does sound like stranger danger. Are you being away from the wheel?
Speaker 6: 30:47
That's probably part of why she said that. And he lives in the woods, Mom. It's and we spent all day together. We spent all day together. But then that's the thing. Ame's like, well, he doesn't really come down from the mountains. And Ahana's like, what are you saying? So turns out Sensei is a full-on wolf. Not even an ounce human.
Speaker 2: 31:06
It's not creepy, it's just dangerous.
Speaker 6: 31:08
It's just fucking terrifying. So he is the last wolf to kind of be roaming these mountains. And the way Ame connects with him is by transforming himself into full wolf. And he sprints alongside his sensei over the peaks, down the valleys. And sensei has given Ame this deeper understanding of what it means to be a wolf, a true, true wolf, and how the mountains are the wolf's domain and the wolf's responsibility to maintain the balance of nature. And Hana, quite honestly, does not know how to feel about it. Because the thing is, this is what she's wanted. Over the past 12 years of raising these children, every single time it has gotten tough, she turns to her late husband's photo. So when he passed, they found his wallet with his license. And that's pretty much the only photo she has of Wolfman. So they have it on this shrine in their house. So she talks to him often. But every time it's gotten tough, she turns to Wolfman's photo and she says, I wish I asked you more questions about how to raise a wolf and how to be a wolf, what your childhood was like. I wish my children had more guidance. And so, in the present, Hanna has gotten her wish. Her son has finally found guidance. Someone who can help him understand the wolfish blood that runs through his veins. Except, what Hanna doesn't realize is it's at the expense of his humanness. So we're fast-forwarding to the end of the film. Spoiler alert, once again, this is at the end of the two hours. Again, I cried throughout the whole movie, but this is the part that really fucked me up. So all of this comes to a head when there is a storm warning going off on the radio. It's so windy and it's like terrifying conditions out there. So classes have been canceled at school. Hana has to drive all the way to school to pick up Yuki because that's where she is. And she asks Ame to come with her, but Ame keeps glancing at the mountains in distress. He's worried about sensei because sensei has been gravely injured in this storm. And he's worried about how the storm is affecting all the wild animals and all their habitats. They've all been misplaced. And so just as Hana is about to get in the car, pick up her girl Yugi, Ame walks out straight into the storm. And Hana, without a second thought, goes after him. So we watch her brave this storm, calling after her son. This human woman is in no position to be hiking through these woods, let alone in the middle of a storm. It's cold, it's wet, it's dangerous, it's raining, she's slipping. At some point, she even finds herself face to face with a bear. And I swear to God, I was like, oh my god, is this how it ends? Is she gonna it's like because the bear is looking right at her. But then the bear gets distracted by her own cubs, and so she walks away. And Hanna is safe, and she keeps going, she keeps calling out her son's name, searching for him in vain, until finally we see her trip and fall into some sort of ditch, and she loses consciousness.
Speaker 2: 34:23
And this really is like the inverse of the snow scene when she's able to like really glide through the fresh snow. Where like here it's just like she just eats shit. She's trampling. She really falls like hard. And we're like, oh, oh, I I yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: 34:43
Exactly. I love that parallel.
Speaker 2: 34:44
You you mentioned how like movies like this look very like inviting and like warm. And uh I feel like that entire last sequence is very much like, oh, this isn't like she's out of her element. Like she she she's always been out of her element, like that is the theme of the movie, but this is very much like no, she doesn't belong here.
Speaker 6: 35:04
Yes, it's peril everywhere she turns. You're right, okay. Gabe. Gabe, you motherfucker. Okay, so in this unconscious state, Hanna is once again in that same meadow that we see in the opening scene, which we now recognize is some sort of other realm. This time she's searching for Ame, just like in real life. But when she starts to approach him, he turns around and instead, it's Wolfman. They have a tearful reunion, but then Hana snaps out of it because she realizes that she's supposed to be searching for Ame right now. But all Wolfman says is very calmly, Ame is fine. He knows himself. He knows where he's supposed to be. So I'm gonna pause here and I'm straight up gonna show you these last few scenes. This is at the 145 mark. I have no idea how long this is gonna take, but I'm I don't give a shit because this is very important.
Speaker 2: 36:05
The daughter is fine too, just so you know.
Speaker 6: 36:08
Yes, the daughter is fine too, and at the very end. Oh wait, what am I doing?
Speaker 5: 36:12
I gotta read my story.
Speaker 6: 36:14
Okay, so while Hana is last in this dream state, we see that Ame is carrying her, looking just like the dad, by the way. And we see that Ame is carrying her all the way back to the mountain, and he lays her very gently on the pavement at the base of the mountain, and he begins to walk away. When Hana wakes up, she cries after him, Ame, but he's already turned into a wolf. Through tears she asks, This is what you want? Aren't I supposed to have taught you something important in life by now? What have I taught you? And in this moment, there is there's no unrelenting optimism to be had anymore. Just confusion and hurt. And Ame says nothing. Instead, his eyes linger on her for a split second, and then he sprints away past the waterfalls to the top of the mountain. Hana is screaming after him, reaching her arms out, don't go. But then she hears it in the distance a wolf howling just as the sun peaks over the horizon. And in that moment, Hana smiles. She knows he'll be okay. So she lets him go. And all of this, uh like Gabe says, don't worry, Yuki's fine.
Speaker 5: 37:28
She's okay. We're not gonna get into that.
Speaker 6: 37:30
Someone picked her out from school. No, actually. No, actually, no.
Speaker: 37:34
Um but she's okay, she's okay. It's a whole thing. What had happened.
Speaker 2: 37:41
Um, but with all that said, it's actually funny that you focused on Ame so much because I feel like the movie really goes out of its way to focus on Yuki.
Speaker 4: 37:50
I want to I want to find out what happens to both.
Speaker 6: 37:52
Okay, well, no, I mean that's it. That's okay. So what happens is that eventually Yuki ends up going to junior high off somewhere, and Ana is alone, but she's content. And there's this beautiful scene where she makes the same dinner that she made for Wolfman, the first meal they ever had together, and she's sitting down eating with his photo, and she she feels a breeze.
Speaker 5: 38:24
She feels a breeze. She kind of like, she like turns her head and like closes her eyes and listens, and she she hears Ame howling in the distance. It's so fucked up.
Speaker 6: 38:39
Oh, but anyway,
Speaker 6: 38:41
all this got me thinking like, what does it mean to be a mother and to raise children? Throughout Wolf Children, we watch Anna's optimism and her persistence, and we think, well, obviously being a mother means sacrificing yourself, going out of your way, to give every ounce of yourself to your child, falling asleep while you're standing just to take care of them. But in this moment, we are struck with the pain that whether you're raising a human or a wolf, loving your child means being able to let them go, and to trust that you have done your best. After Hana cries for Ame's hang, did I even teach you anything? When Ame runs to the top of the peak and Hana hears him howl from a distance, that is when she realizes she did teach him something. She taught him how to love. And in that love, Ame has found safety and freedom and a freedom to choose. Throughout the film, Hana kept lamenting to Wolfman and his photo, I wish you taught me more before you left us. But the thing is, everything she needed to know was in her very nature. In that moment with Ame, Hana realizes one of the most heartbreaking yet beautiful truths about parenthood. When your children leave, it's not because they don't love you or because you weren't enough for them. A lot of times it's the opposite. It's because you gave them everything you had, because you did what you thought was best for them, because you gave them love and safety and freedom. And the thing is, in giving them that freedom to choose, uh you trust their decision, even if it means they're not choosing you. You trust that your love is so abundant, so unquestionable, so embedded in every fiber of their being that they feel safe forging a path without you. She's like struggling with her fingers getting back.
Speaker 4: 40:46
You know, like stop it. I know, sorry.
Speaker 6: 40:49
So, as lonely as it might be, these children continue to carry you with them wherever they go. I wanted to end this segment with one of my favorite quotes about parenthood from the book Daughter Drink This Water by Dr. Jaya John. For me, this perfectly encapsulates Hannah's entire journey raising her wolf children in all its wonder and heartbreak and joy. It says, We do not have children, we let them through. They are a glory we witness with an assignment we have not written. You dear listeners, crybabies, you might not be a parent raising a child. You might just be a human being loving another human being. But regardless, we know in our hearts that truly, truly loving someone means witnessing them in all their glory and trusting their journey. And trusting that you, in turn, have loved them well.
Speaker 2: 41:57
So, like, did you cry or no?
Speaker 6: 42:00
Gabe. I sat there, I couldn't breathe.
Speaker 2: 42:05
Well, when did you have to pause?
Speaker 6: 42:07
I no, after it was done, I just I fucking didn't even watch the credits. I threw the iPad aside and I could I cried for 20 minutes. It was overwhelming.
Speaker 2: 42:16
But but
Speaker 2: 42:16
really though, because like what the movie does really well is that like it's so like simple to be like, uh I'm gonna make a movie and it's about parenthood, and you just kind of pick up on all the like two Instagram bull moments of parenthood. But I think what I enjoyed about Wolf Children is that like it it doesn't shy away from being like, no, it's like ugly and cruel and like really difficult. Like, I think one of the scenes that like spoke most to me was the bit when um Yuki is about like 12, 13, and she gets in a fight with Ame, and Ame is like, oh, but I like being a wolf, and she's just like, but you have to go to school, and they get in a fight and they both transform into wolves. So the mom is just like helpless in the situation, so she's just like staring, like and they destroy the house, they like wreck the house. And it's just like this massive fight, and it's one of those things where it's just like I feel like in a lesser parent-coded movie, you know, you would see the scenes with them as a baby and with them being like a cute tiny kid, but like you never really see the aftermath of a scene where your kid is being like a moody teenager, and Hannah, the mom, is like legitimately scared of both of them. In that scene, at least, there's no love that she's sensing, and that's what scares her because she's just she's so like right now, at least in this very moment, my kids aren't acting like my kids, and that's scary. I don't know how I would go forward knowing that they can be the scary. Yeah. It it's like what you said, there needs to be like a level of trust even during those moments, and it's so like it's horrifying.
Speaker 6: 43:59
Yeah.
Speaker 4: 44:00
Yeah.
Speaker 2: 44:01
Hmm. Good good movie.
Speaker 4: 44:03
I'm never fucking watching that shit. It is one. No, I'm just kidding. It obviously is. It's so incredible.
Speaker 6: 44:09
It is so beautiful. I can't wait to watch it again. Yeah. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: 44:13
I actually do think I would want to really sit there and soak it in. And fucking cry, yeah. It's so interesting though, because I I I get I and obviously I'm basing this opinion off of the very few scenes that I've seen and the stories that you two are sharing about it. But it's so interesting because you you both keep saying that this is, yes, a story about parenthood, but XYZ. And I think that for me watching the ending, and again, this could just be because of where I'm at in life. But for those of you don't know, I am not a parent. I I'm just vibing. So um True, same thing. I feel like as much as this story is highlighting Hana, I I'm putting myself in Ame and Yuki. And your conclusion really got to me where you were talking about how at some point children will choose a path that doesn't necessarily always include their parents. And that doesn't mean that you don't love your parents. It means that they just did such a good job that they have the bravery to face things on their own. And I think just lately I've been really thinking about the mortality of my own parents. And these thoughts of guilt are running through me. Oh, I didn't do enough as a child, or I didn't prioritize spending as much time with them as I could have because I was off living my own life. And yes, that is a really sad truth to to realize. And I'm sure that my parents have felt sadness in that. But I think what you did by shaping it as that just means that they did a really good job. It's it's a little heavy, it's a little hard. Yeah. That's when I told you to shut the fuck up. And I was done. I was almost done. I was, I was. So yeah, I think yes, this is you know, obviously a story about this incredible mother, but I think we are all those children too.
Speaker 6: 46:33
Yeah. Yes. And that's why this deserves many a watch, many a rewatch, because it wasn't until I was replaying that scene for you both where Hana hears Ame howling in the distance, and I I didn't see that she smiled that first time I watched it. It's the subtle smile. It's the subtle fucking smile. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: 46:57
That's the true animation test. I don't care how like wiggly your like birds look like when they fly. Is there a subtle smile? Is there a subtle smile? Should be an easy dunk. I don't know.
Speaker 6: 47:07
Yeah, yeah. Um it's interesting, the director did not yet have children when he made this film.
Speaker 2: 47:13
Yeah, so uh I think an interesting thing to point out also is that people kind of assume that a creator and their audience grow up together. So with later movies, they assume that the same audience will be around to watch it. And I'm not quite sure if Wolf Children was that for Hosura, because Digimon wasn't that long ago. So I I have a feeling that the split I see when people talk about this movie is because a lot of people that watched Wolf Children were still children or teens when they watched it. So you see stuff like the the tasteful, the tasteful sex scene with the wolf man, and the you know, the the audience response was kind of like, oh, ea, we're icky, or even in terms of how it's designed, I feel like the wolf transformations are very much like it's a wolf, but they have the anime haircut.
unknown: 48:18
Yeah.
Speaker 2: 48:19
Or it's like okay, it's very things over the eye. It's very easy to take this movie unseriously if you want to. And it I'm I'm gonna be honest that I was part of that camp when I watched this in college. Yeah. Um but that was like back in 2012. Yeah, that's when it came out, yeah. And I feel like revisiting this again was so like, oh devastating.
Speaker 1: 48:46
Yeah, yeah. You gotta vaccinate your kids. Child protective services is gonna get you.
Speaker 4: 48:54
I th I thought you were gonna take the high road, but no, we're gonna we're gonna fucking have her catch astray.
Speaker 2: 49:00
And I'm like harping on this already, but it's just so like it's so easy to make a movie that's just like, okay, I'm gonna make a a cutesy parenting movie and I'm gonna play it straight. You know, it's like what people say when they talk about Oscar Bait movies, where it's like, okay, I'm gonna make an Oscar Bait movie and it's gonna have a powerful monologue done by a really good actor or something. And like, I feel like the parenting movie equivalent of that would have been so easy for wolf children to do. But there's like so many like nuances to it. Just even visually, like, there's uh we didn't even talk about it. There's lots of um montages in this movie. This is not a second-screen friendly movie. Don't do your laundry during this movie. You gotta you gotta look at it.
Speaker 6: 49:43
Like pay attention.
Speaker 2: 49:44
But like even during the montages, you can see the final scene when she's eating dinner with the husband. Her house looks a little bit nicer than it did at the beginning.
Speaker 6: 49:56
Yeah, there's a lot. There's this film so many things. It does a lot. And you're right, it could be uh like a trite kind of thing, but it's but it's not. It really he really did not shy away. And I think the reason why I bring up that he did not yet have children was the way you identified so heavily with Ame. I wonder if he too saw himself in those children and in choosing a path.
Speaker 4: 50:23
Yeah. And it's just interesting, like listening to all of these scenes that Gabe pulled are so different from what you like. If Gabe had this assignment of like what made him cry, it would have been a completely different story. It's the easier, like that's that's why we do this. That's why we do this because everyone cries for a different reason, but we can all understand why. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: 50:50
May I ask really quick what your thoughts are on Yuki's growth? Yuki's growth. Yuki's growth, the daughter. Because I I am kind of curious where there's so much.
Speaker 6: 51:02
Gabe, don't open this. Because there's a whole ass thing that I wanted to get into, but I was like, how do I even begin? Because like two sentences. Like she two sentences, Gabe. Putting me on the spot here.
Speaker 2: 51:16
That's why I'm here. You see on the wild card of this episode.
Speaker 6: 51:21
You find her like the way she finds uh acceptance is very similar to the way the way her dad finds acceptance through opening himself up to Hana. That is essentially Yuki's storyline. She finds someone that she can open herself up to. Never mind that her mom hasn't fucking picked her up from school in the middle of the storm. But part of me was like, in a way, I know you say that Yuki's story was easier, but to me it felt maybe even more complicated because of that. So you gotta watch it.
Speaker 2: 52:05
Okay. I'm like seeing things that like I I wouldn't have seen otherwise had I not been here on this discussion.
Speaker 6: 52:12
That's what Okay, that's what I love to hear, because this is literally why we do this podcast. We we we talk about this all the time. The way we see the stories that we talk about completely changes from moment to moment, depending on who we are and where we are in our lives. And that is why it's such a beautiful thing to be able to come here and share. And you're never wrong. It's always because it's you, right? It's you're you're inherently right because it is your story to tell. So and that's my spiel.
Speaker 5: 52:46
All right, well, all right, I think we've exhausted this.
Speaker 6: 52:51
Actually, we could probably keep going, but the cameras are overheating because we've been recording for so long. But but I just thank you, Gabe, again, for being so willing to come here to give us our little homework assignments.
Speaker 2: 53:03
Yeah, thank you for being willing to take on homework because nobody should do homework.
Speaker 6: 53:10
Agreed. But this was homework we were happy to do because this
Speaker 6: 53:13
is definitely outside of our, I would say, our normal range.
Speaker 2: 53:17
I mean, if you want to do a part three and part four.
Speaker 4: 53:20
That's what I'm saying, dude. No, but I agree. I was gonna say, like, that Excel sheet is pretty like solid. If I don't know what I'm gonna talk about, I might look at that. And I really do want to thank you again for like broadening personally my horizons because I think Arnst definitely watches more anime than I do. I really was stepping into an unknown, untapped media.
Speaker 2: 53:46
That's what makes it fun.
Speaker 4: 53:48
Which made this truly really fun.
Speaker 2: 53:51
I mean, I I talk about this with my friends, but I feel like people need to take, and this is such a first world problem to have, but I feel like people need to treat their pop culture the way they treat their diets, where you can't just have junk food every day. You gotta eat some vegetables every once in a while. You gotta watch a moving picture with words at the bottom. I like Gabe.
Speaker 4: 54:15
Wow. It's true. A big brain.
Speaker 2: 54:19
Eat your anime vegetables.
Speaker 4: 54:21
He had that ready. Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2: 54:23
It was part of my panel that I'm preparing for.
Speaker 6: 54:27
You heard it here first. Actually, this is airing after your panel store. Yeah. Um, but before we conclude, we ask our guests, what's a really quick?
Speaker 4: 54:36
I know you gave us a whole ass list, but I have a list, but a little bit
Speaker 4: 54:39
a quick cry wreck. Can I say non-anime? A cry wreck? Come on. You made me broaden my horizons. It's your turn. It's your turn.
Speaker 2: 54:51
I know you're cultured because I had it like ready in the pocket. I was like, it's this anime.
Speaker 4: 54:57
Okay.
Speaker 2: 54:58
We're gonna tear that shit up right now. Oh man, I'm gonna be basic then. I already mentioned this to you guys. Um, I use when life gives you tangerines. I usually don't binge anything anymore. Binging things is a young man's game. I cannot do it anymore.
Speaker 5: 55:13
You get hung over afterwards. It doesn't feel good.
Speaker 2: 55:16
After like three episodes, I'm just like, I can't be sad. I'm actually gonna throw up. Yeah. But um I usually don't watch K-dramas, but Ayu is my girl. I follow her music. So amazing, so talented. Not just on the music and dance scene, but also in the acting world as well. When life gives you tangerines, it is a generational drama. Tells the story of a woman played by Ayu, living on the Jeju Islands, circa, I want to say like the 50s or 60s. And and you really get the if you want to watch a like vibesy type of thing. Um, part of the reason I really enjoyed it was because a lot of it kind of reminded me of like what my parents' hometown would have looked like in the Philippines. Where I was very like, oh, like it it gave me the cries, it gave me the wobbly voice. Like I was very much like, oh man, like had had film been more of a thing back then, this is what they're like what their like their house would have looked like, and these are the people they would have seen every day, and the interactions they would have had, and you like see it like past that point as well, where it's like you see their family just like grow and form over like the 80s and the 90s and the now, and I you moves on from playing the mom to her own daughter in the flash forward. Oh my god. It's funny too, because like I'm watching behind the scenes stuff and like they talk about how they do her makeup differently. Um and and I'm a boring straight dude, so I'm just like watching her being like, There's subtleties in this, and I'm just like uh-huh-uh-huh-uh, like having no clue what the differences are. But apparently there's differences. So the the thought that they gave so much thought into even tiny things like that is so like IU. She never misses.
Speaker 4: 57:20
Damn, we got an IU stan up in here.
Speaker 2: 57:23
Can you tag or anything? Not to brag that I I made a shrine, I made a library shrine in the previous year. Um, I'm in charge of making displays at work. And um last year I was just like, oh, okay, it's her birthday. So I gotta find all of the IU stuff at the library. I love it. I actually got a decent amount of like traction from people. There you go. I don't think people realize that the library has like lots of k-pop available. Oh did not know that. And then like once I put the display out, not to put all the honors on me or anything. No, we got a lot more people borrowing K-pop from the library.
Speaker 4: 58:04
There we fucking go.
Speaker 2: 58:05
You did what felt authentic to you, people connected with it. Oh my god, you brought it back full circle. We always do on the call. If you be your true authentic self, then people are gonna realize how much of a queen I you is.
Speaker 5: 58:18
Yeah, there you go. There you go. Okay, thank you. Thank you for those. Thank you. Wonderful.
Speaker 2: 58:26
Oh my god. I'm I'm I'm glad I've been on for too long. For cutting away.
Speaker 4: 58:30
We why don't we share the list that we keep talking about? Yes, yes, yes. Just so people can see. Put it in the show notes. Yes.
Speaker 7: 58:37
Okay. Okay. Well
Speaker 7: 58:39
one last thing. One last thing. We give all our guests a special little gift. So this is for you.
Speaker 2: 58:46
Oh my gosh, how'd you know I was in my hat era?
Speaker 4: 58:50
Are you? Are you really?
Speaker 2: 58:51
It's because um, I think this is a thing every mid-30s man has to accept. They realize that the hairline is slowly inching more upwards.
Speaker 5: 59:03
Gabe, yours looks great. Your hairline is incredible. Aging is a gift.
Speaker 2: 59:07
Yes, it's it's not a curse, y'all. No. Aging is a gift. Aging is a gift. And if if you want to follow up on the theming of aging and living on, I've got an upcoming video.
Speaker 7: 59:18
Oh, yeah. Yes, plug yourself one last time for our listeners.
Speaker 2: 59:21
Uh Living I've got an upcoming video about living forever. I made a panel for it at Fanime, but um, hopefully by the time this episode airs, the video version will be done and finished on my YouTube. So that's youtube.com slash demoncore D-A-E-M-O-N-C-O-R-P-S.
Speaker 6: 59:39
Okay. Um, so that is where you can find Gabe. And thank you, Gabe, again for coming.
Speaker 2: 59:44
Yeah, actually, since you have given me a gift really quick, I would need to give you guys a gift as well. Is that okay?
unknown: 59:51
Oh my god.
Speaker 1: 59:52
Are you okay with games?
Speaker 4: 59:53
Yes, you can shower us with a button on my receiving. Is it a high chew?
Speaker 6: 59:57
Can I open it? Can I open it? I can open it and not read. You can open it and not read it. It is a high chew! Oh my god. Oh, please don't throw them over your shoulder. Oh, Gabe gave us a little.
Speaker 5: 01:00:11
It's such a cute business card with a high chew. You gabe.
Speaker 2: 01:00:15
I don't give them to anyone anymore. So you guys are the first.
Speaker 4: 01:00:19
We're gonna give a little kiss to the high two.
Speaker 2: 01:00:21
History's changing, guys. History can change now. Cry babies. If you take away anything from this, it's that history can change.
Speaker 4: 01:00:30
Absolutely.
Speaker 2: 01:00:30
Yeah if you want it to.
Speaker 4: 01:00:32
Thank you, Gabe. Thank you so much for this opportunity. I had such a blast today. I hope you did too. Thank you so much for collabing with us. For any of our listeners, if you think that there is a great idea that you have that you would love to bring to us, please. Our DMs are always open. We hope that this episode or the episode prior convinces you that we're kind of fun. It's kind of fun to talk to us.
Speaker 2: 01:00:57
Yeah, I literally haven't talked to these gals since college. And when I reached out to them, I was so afraid they would say no.
Speaker 6: 01:01:05
Oh my god. Um please reach out to us. We love hearing from you. So all right.
Speaker 4: 01:01:10
So we are gonna wrap it up again. Thank you all for listening. Thank you all for enjoying. Thank you all for opening up your mind just a little bit to what the world can offer in terms of different media and stories that could inspire you.
Speaker 2: 01:01:25
Eat your anime veggies.
Speaker 4: 01:01:26
Eat your anime veggies. All right. And with that said, we will see you next time.
Speaker 1: 01:01:33
But until then, BRB crying.
Until next time…brb crying :’)