017: moth bawls / casper the lonely ghost (Copy)
We're getting spoOoOky! In this week's Halloween special, Nins explores childlike wonder in the face of death through Kate Braestrup's story, "The House of Mourning," on The Moth. Arns navigates loneliness in the film Casper.
Content warning: child loss, dead bodies
referenced in this episode:
About The Moth
About Kate Braestrup, storyteller behind "The House of Mourning" on The Moth
1995 film Casper (IMDB)
Collider article on Casper's CGI by Elisa Guimarães
Casper lighthouse/lullaby scene
Casper Halloween party scene
0:00 - Intro
4:58 - Nins: The Moth
26:21 - Arns: Casper
47:50 - Outro
summary
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(00:00) hi I'm Angela Non, I'm Ariana Kempis and this is brb [Music] crying hello everyone welcome back to BRB crying I'm Ariana also known as Arns and I'm Angela also known as Nins and we are here today because we cried about something mhm so now we have to talk your ear off about it we must thanks for joining thanks for joining happy Halloween spooky season oh yeah did you practice your witch laugh is that that's not that's not that's good that's that's pretty good okay yeah that's pretty good I paid a lot for these mics so I don't want to
(00:54) like blow it out you know what I mean for the best uh if any of you are listening which you probably are and not watching we are in costume today because it's Halloween and you know we're getting a little spooky oh that's a costume that you're wearing whoa I was wearing a costume I didn't know that you were like okay anyway let's talk about these costumes for a little bit sure sure sure so do you want to walk us through your uh Ensemble yes I am dressed like Medusa today okay thanks to miss gelina who uh graciously lent me her headpiece mhm um
(01:39) I'm wearing very vibrant green eyeshadow which took me I think 40 minutes to figure out how to do today that's so we're going to celebrate that okay and uh look great thank you very much thank you very much and that's pretty much what I got you're wearing a flowy Grecian blue green I am I texted Arns today and I was like cuz we had talked about just being like lowkey about the Halloween costumes and I texted her today cuz I was just going to wear the headband and I was literally going to throw on a black shirt call it
(02:12) a day yeah and I was like hey arens are you going to wear like a full costume and she's like uh I'm going to wear the headband but I'm just going to wear like a floral dress and a Shaw I was like babe that's a costume let me find something in my in my closet so thankfully had a little something yeah you know I just got to say I do not half ass Halloween in my mind this was low key I see no she just wanted to win the best Halloween no no uh let me let me bring everyone back to um what year was that 2015 Halloween I was a white
(02:50) walker and jar was Jon Snow and I spent a few hours on that makeup and I was so I was so proud that was one my best yeah the trick-or-treaters came I opened the door and they screamed I was like oh my god wow so but today I'm not in White Walker costume uh the time for Game of Thrones has passed so today I'm just as free to col I got a little unibrow going subtle um some gold earrings a little floral headpiece and I don't know a dress and a Shaw yeah low key you look beauti thanks you look G you look like a painting funny thing she was a
(03:37) painter um so yeah if you have a chance go to the link in BIO check out our YouTube maybe have a little look a little looky at our costumes we will also be posting reals so if you follow us on social bombarding you with reals bombarding on all of your socials yeah yeah Tik Tok Instagram so check us out yeah well I have another announcement hit me with it so if you follow us on socials you may have seen we're doing a little collab with my sister's brand curated Cultura so we are having some really good conversations about crying as a form of
(04:14) self-care crying is self-care so follow us on socials and sign up for the newsletter so you can hear first and uh and that's all I got oh I forgot to mention bringing it back to the costumes sure this is my great-grandmother Shaw oh I think it's from the 1800s wow yeah I know I know and I totally like H did you hear it rip a little bit like 10 minutes ago no so really I don't know that I have anything from the 1800s yeah my only thing that's very cool yeah spooky yeah it is very spooky it's terrifying that's all I [ __ ] got
(04:53) that's all I [ __ ] got all right should we get should we get into it into it I'm first today huh you are first okay that was good right yeah that was pretty good that was pretty good thanks I've been [Music] practicing okay as we've mentioned we got a little spooky episode today we do in honor of Halloween mhm so you know what today we're going to talk about dead bodies oh I'm gonna do that all episode SMY okay so cry level for me probably like around a three okay 3 four and as we know Halloween is a night that we dedicate to remembering the
(05:50) dead and maybe it's human inclination to try to put the concept of death and more and grieving and anything beyond this physical world into this neat little box that we tuck away and only pull out once a year and then we can even add all these like little capitalist touches and throw candy at it and Market all these $70 costumes made a very cheap material and then we can even open up the entertainment industry we can to shove a bunch of like gory horror films in our face and all this blood and scary Supernatural hoopla yes right hoopla
(06:43) love it and pretty soon the entire idea of Halloween of honoring the dead kind of gets lost in the shuffle and I feel like it's because the living are so afraid to look at death and maybe we don't have to be and I can throw every cliche at you to really drive this home death is a part of life MH death is the next great adventure MH or I could tell you about a story called The House of mour performed by Kate brr on the [Laughter] moth okay so sources for today the moth's official website the story which is basically a
(07:48) 13-minute podcast and then Kate brp's official website so what's the moth okay I'm about to tell you gosh what's the [Laughter] moth okay so the moth is a nonprofit group whose mission is to promote the art and craft of Storytelling and to honor and celebrate the diversity and commonality of The Human Experience according to the website it was founded in 1997 by a novelist George Doss green and the concept is basically a live show where people are invited on stage to tell a story with each Show featuring like a very loose theme so a theme Like
(08:44) Love Hurts or hot mess and then people will go on stage and tell a story mhm sometimes the speaker can be a prominent figure like a TV personality or a famous writer but often times it can just be everyday people so veterans or teachers or parents or someone with an interesting job mhm and more often than not the stories are them recounting a real experience that they had real things that have happened to them and the stories are told without the use of any notes so there is just a speaker standing on stage and it's just a mic
(09:34) and their voice while I'm like clutching my iPad right me trying to do this without notes you know what I mean who so the Creator George dosen decided to call this show The Moth because he wanted to recreate that feeling of those summer evenings in his hometown in Georgia where moths would be attracted to the patio lights on his porch where he and his friends would sit for hours and just tell stories back and forth It's like a very intimate you know just you're lost in the story you're hanging on to every single word the first event
(10:15) was held in Green's living room in 1997 and now there are over 600 storytelling events a year in 30 different cities and there's also a weekly podcast so they'll pick three stories and they'll release them once a week and that's how I came across the story that I'm going to share today so Katie brup told this story during a live show in 2017 and some background before we pause and listen to her story Katie serves as a Chaplain to the state of Maine's forest and Wildlife wardens so what the hell does that mean
(11:04) yeah okay so first the forest and Wildlife wardens their whole job is to enforce fishing and Wildlife law but they also respond to a variety of outdoor calamities so any sort of you know snowmobile accidents or accidental drownings they're the First Responders that are called to the scene and often times when any of these calls are suspected to involve a death the wardens bring along Kate the chaplain and her role in this is to be the support and the voice of comfort for the affected families as they come to terms
(11:56) with the death of a loved one so this this story that Kate shares focuses on Nina who is a 5-year-old girl processing the death of her 4-year-old cousin Andy I'm going to pause here M and play the story for ARS please if you'd like to follow along and listen before we jump into it we will include the link in our show notes so what you think [Music] okay so just played it for ARs and in the event that you haven't listened to it yet I will summarize the story so this story opens up with a conversation between Kate our
(12:51) Storyteller and Nina's mom Nina's mom is asking Kate for advice because again nah who is 5 years old wants to see her 4-year-old cousin Andy who just died that day Kate then tells the audience about her role as a Chaplain to the game wardens and how one of her responsibilities is to teach First Responders how to support bereaved people and during her trainings she'll tell this personal story to her trainees about her first husband who died while on call as a state trooper his car was hit by a truck and given her familiarity
(13:50) with the local law enforcement she asked for a favor and asked if she could be the one to dress her husband in the funeral home herself and with some convincing they make an exception and they let her do this clean up her husband's body and dress him for his final resting and the people who authorized this were understandably on edge and Kate describes this moment as one where she had to Fain complete confidence because if she showed any sign of weakness or any sign of distress they would be like okay that's it we're not
(14:37) doing this anymore so she says they were all watching me as I walked into this cool room where Drew's body lay and he was dead but that's all he was just dead and he was okay I was okay and then she talks about how she had 20 minutes alone with him their final moments Alone Together where she cleaned him up and said goodbye and after those 20 minutes the staff comes in her mom comes in and then they all worked together to finish dressing him and Wrangle him into his class a uniform for his funeral service Kate says it was fine it was actually
(15:30) it was better than fine it was actually kind of great I mean it was beautiful and sad and funny and it was okay people are far far more likely to regret not having seen the body than they are to wish they hadn't done it so during her trainings she actually teaches wardens to be very proactive Ive about encouraging families to see the bodies of their loved ones to make room and make space in that awful chaotic day for families to have a final moment with the body she says and let me tell you the MERS are gorgeous they're
(16:24) gorgeous a mother will smooth the hair back from her drowned son's forehead and the dad will hold his hand a spouse will bring a flower and put it on his breast and murmur endearments they're beautiful but okay nah was five and her cousin her best friend Andy was four so Kate goes back to the opening scene of her story where she had just spent the day working with the Wardens to clear up the site where Andy was hit by an allterrain vehicle and instantly lost his life and his body was now at the funeral parlor and that's where nah wanted to go
(17:15) to see him so Nina's mother is asking for Kate's opinion should we let her go like we just want to protect her she's so young and Kate says you know you're her parents you know her you know her much better than I do but I don't think it would hurt anymore for her to see him and she just left it at that so 3 Days Later Kate comes back to this small town to preside over Andy service and she runs into Nina's mom again and Kate asks her oh so whatever ended up happening did you bring nah to the funeral parlor that
(18:05) day and Nina's mom tells her that yeah they did they bring nah to the funeral parlor and nah comes charging in and right before they enter the room n's parents are explaining to her heina like and he's you know he's going to be asleep he's he's not going to be able to talk to you he's not going to be able to move and she's like yeah I know I know so nah enters the room and she walks right up to the dce where his body lays and she puts her hands on him and then she puts her head down on his chest and just talks to
(18:53) him she sings him a song and then she puts his Fisher Price telescope in his hand and tells him it's for when he wants to see anyone from heaven and then she puts her hand on him one last time and says I love you Andy Dandy goodbye so this story uh sobbing right this story made me realize that we cradle children so carefully and we try to protect them from all these things that we adults are so scared of oh they can't handle that oh that's too much news flash babe that's called projection I also put hello risk averse
(19:57) Asian households oh God we underestimate these kids because children can understand the finality of death but more importantly they can understand that that death does not have to change the way that they love them having to face a dead loved one is heartbreaking and sad and awful but it could also be intimate and moving and quote actually kind of great but never ever scary so on this Halloween as we remember the dead let's also allow ourselves to fill up with love instead of fear because according to Kate you
(20:57) can trust a human being with g grief just walk fearlessly into the house of mourning for grief is just love squaring up to its oldest enemy and after all these mortal human years love is up to the challenge beautiful heartbreaking but beautiful both yeah but not scary not scary it is so learned the fear that we project yeah God the way Nina just was so unafraid I see that so much with kids they're so they're so bold in that way it's like their minds haven't been tarnished no or swayed yet it makes me think of there are
(21:50) certain cultures where a funeral service truly is a celebration of life and it's like an entire Village will get together and it'll be 3 days of like parties and it's such a joyous occasion and it totally is cultural the way that we approach death is so it's like we resist it yeah we fear it yeah totally and I was thinking about the fear I mean obviously human inclination to want to live and not die yes but I also feel like like when you are the living person who's prompted the question do you want to see this dead
(22:35) body I feel like the pain of grieving is also so scary it's like no I can't yeah I can't let myself see this because it's going to be too much it's going to be too heavy m i mean I can't say that that was ever a scenar scario that I've personally experienced where you know there was this tragic accident and I had to see the body of a loved one but I can also imagine myself feeling nervous and feeling this reservation 100% you know yeah but it's like those last moments are so poignant and so meaningful mhm I wouldn't want to
(23:26) let that opportunity pass yeah yeah I know it's like I want to hope that I would be brave but just putting myself in that situation in my mind I can feel the resistance already the fear the finality of it all yeah yeah but I love what she said about how humans can handle grief we don't think we can but but we do and I also love the piece about people regret not seeing the body more than they regret seeing the body like what an insight to have right yeah that's something that I'll hold on to forever right yeah because in the moment
(24:11) you're like oh no I can't [ __ ] do that and then you have all the rest of your life to be like I should haveh you know not to cheapen this or relate it to animals but that's totally how I was when gingen our first dog past I was thinking that too I didn't want to bring it up but yeah no but yeah it was exactly the same thing in that we didn't want to be there when he was euthanized because we felt like we couldn't handle it and I think my entire family to this day we regret it so much yeah like the fear he must have had and all of that
(24:48) but it was like it was so selfish on our parts mhm so yeah I mean I I think that she could have told a story about anyone but the fact that it was Through The Eyes of this 5-year-old child who had that fearlessness to look at someone that she loved so much her best friend her family it's like God children can teach us so much there's so much that we can unlearn if we just revert back to that wonder and that Purity yeah yeah I also feel like with children the veil is so thin and I wonder if being in Nina's shoes it's like she
(25:39) still feels Andy there with her you know like maybe maybe that finality that we associate with death is not as present with her maybe she still very much feels his presence yeah I know that was a more somber story but I think it was very beautiful and that's [ ] it beautiful that's [ ] it it was that's beautiful yeah yeah happy Halloween happy [Music] Halloween okay dig us out I will dig us out this is going to be quite a hard pivot okay we're going a little a little more traditional with the Halloween as
(26:32) you mentioned M spooky spooky yeah yeah that that that um we're getting a little Supernatural today oh yes and to be fully transparent crybabies nins knows what I'm going to talk about here today and that is because a year ago on Halloween night I texted her about this very thing and that thing is Casper so about a year ago I watched the movie Casper for the first time since I was a child and it was like a seven or eight sob and as soon as the movie was over I whipped out my phone and I texted you I was like have you watched Casper
(27:17) and you were like you were like I don't really remember I I was like so let's uh let's get into the background so ER the movie was released in 1995 it was directed by Brad silberling and Steven Spielberg was one of the executive producers which I didn't know that I didn't I was three you know I but it's starring Bill Pullman as Dr James Harvey Christina Richie as his daughter cat Christina Richie Christina [ __ ] mhm jeez okay uh two years ago she came out with an interview saying she was very ashamed of her performance Cas
(27:59) because she was a kid she was like 13 but it's like God she was the girl [ __ ] she was um and Malachi Pearson as the voice of Casper and so this 1995 movie was based on the 1945 Harvey Comics cartoon but it had a slightly darker tone which that was one of the criticisms when it came out I thought that was a little weird I didn't find it dark but I guess in comparison to the comics it was a little bit but it's okay we embrace it babe things change things change they evolve they evolve we get in touch with our emotions you know MH so
(28:39) interesting aside this film was hailed as having taken CGI to a new level it came out the same year as Toy Story so this is all per an article titled sorry Toy Story this was actually the first movie with a fully CGI lead so as we can tell from the article title this was the first movie with a CGI lead and according to the director a single scene of Casper required more computer generated imagery than the entirety of Jurassic Park wow yeah someone on the Jurassic Park team is like okay well [ __ ] you yeah wow
(29:16) okay yeah some scenes took a year and a half in post-production really can you imagine like recording a podcast and then editing it for a year and oh my God and yeah before I get into you no the did you have something to say you looked like you were on the verge of a joke no you were like well no I just I just wanted to say that since I knew you were covering the story I actually did my homework and I watched it recently did you so I feel like I was just thinking I feel like I know what scene took a year what's what scene do you think it was I
(29:43) feel like it was the um the breakfast scene cuz it was like a 10minute scene where it was just all of this chaos I think specifically when the uncles melt into the floor at the very end of that scene I think that took a particularly long time oh yeah yeah imagine but yeah there are going to be some spoilers for a movie that's 20 30 30 years it came out almost 30 years ago okay so I don't know what the [ __ ] you want from me like whatever so we'll get into the um C context oh that wasn't it no no no I mean we could stop there that's fine
(30:21) just watch the movie and you'll see but yeah so if you haven't watched this ever or recently I will I'll walk through this so some unhinged woman named carrian inherits a haunted house called whipstaff Manor in a town called friendship off the coast of Maine friendship wait mine was also in Maine my story really yeah oh that's right you I do I feel like so many Halloween stories take place on the East Coast because the New England yeah the leaves change color there that makes sense and that's I think the only reason
(30:56) it gets cold um whatever so she and her assistant oh God I didn't write his name down oh dibs dibs so weird okay they suspect there's a she she and her assistant suspect there's a treasure buried there but the ghost keep driving away humans so they're at a loss for what to do meanwhile one of the ghosts Casper is frustrated because his painfully obnoxious uncles keep driving away these humans and he just wants a friend so Casper sees a News segment one evening and it's a feature on it quote unquote afterlife therapist named Dr
(31:38) James Harvey you watched this recently so I know you're seeing it in your mind but it's actually kind of funny they're like Dr James Harvey and his loner daughter cat I was like what that's outrageous it's like a shot of her like walking all Goth behind us what so weird it was so it was so funny um I don't know I mean I think that they meant for it to be funny but like yeah I don't know um yeah that was an incredible scene but Casper se's Cat on TV and he is smitten he's like oh carrian and he travels via telephone
(32:18) wire I do not know why it's via telephone wire he can't just fly there but I don't make the rules but he travels to kanan's hotel room flips on that TV wibbles it towards her and she sees this is my answer so she gives Dr James Harvey a call meanwhile cat and her dad are driving across the country yet again because James has just accepted this new assignment and Cat's frustrated she's been to nine schools in two years because her dad just keeps going around the country trying to help these ghosts pass onto the next life and
(32:55) they are still reeling from the sudden death of her mom Amelia they've been traveling under the guise of James wanting to help ghost transition but really he's looking for the ghost of his wife because cat tells him you're not going to find mom she's not a ghost and he's very sure when he says yes she is she has unfinished business Bill Pullman Bill [ ] Pullman so they arrive in French at Main right on the cusp of Halloween spooky spooky Casper is super nervous about meeting this girl he [ ] it up that first
(33:33) night his uncles like [ ] it up even more the next morning he tries to make a men he makes her breakfast he's like being super impressive with his kitchen skills like he puts a stack of 20 pancakes in front of her and I'm like what the f do you like do you ever see those scenes and you're like who eats that many pancakes no cuz then they'll take a bite and they're like I have to go to school yeah she no she didn't even take a bite though oh she did not a [ ] bite God yeah so yeah that's when we're introduced to the uncles who
(34:02) are named fats so stinky and stretch beautiful yeah it was on their birth certificates that's not problematic no no no um so cats starts to warm up to Casper cuz she sees that he really is a Friendly Ghost and she is off to her first day of school again not a bite of the pancake um and of course the other kids are dick because kids are dicks and it's kind of weird because the popular girl keeps talking over the teacher and making these jokes and the teacher is like laughing along and letting her and I'm like this is so
(34:41) weird I know that's the one thing that I have with like American television like it's so unrealistic how they portray bullies I'm like people don't do that at school no they don't there's other ways that they're mean that's not one of them and teachers make rules and teachers teach in their classrooms yeah the teacher is kind of standing in the back with his arms crossed he's like I like this is so weird um so what happens is they're having a Halloween dance but there's no they need a new place to host it and the popular girl is
(35:16) like well we could do it at my place everyone let's take a vote and she stands up in front of the class and I'm like the who the [ ] is the teacher here but they find out she's living in whipstaff Manor and they're like dude we got to have it there cuz that place is haunted as hell spooky spooky yes um so they all come to this agreement uh cat has not asked her dad meanwhile James trying to get the uncles to pass over and resolve their trauma stop hunting the house but they're [ ] with him and they see a framed photo of his wife
(35:47) Amelia that he pulls out of his box puts it on his desk and they realize that James so badly wants to see his wife again so they pretend they can communicate with her and they're like like yeah she's waiting just on the other side of that door and the light is glowing beneath the crack of the door and he's so nervous and he opens the door fully expecting to see his deceased wife and it's [ ] Fatso and drag it's so [ ] I was like um that was really [ __ ] traumatic yeah uh yeah the '90s we just gloss over that stuff
(36:21) you know yeah no but anyway so this brings me to my first cry scene because there were two three uh but my first one that I want to talk about so Casper finds out about the Halloween dance I'm thinking about this timeline in my head I'm like this is what day two this is happening so quickly but he's jealous because one of cat's classmates asks her to go to the dance with him I mean it's a prank but whatever I mean Casper doesn't know that he's just jealous because he wants to go to the dance with cat mhm and he keeps trying
(36:55) to convince cat that he's worthy he's like well what does he have that I don't and uh she says something kind of mean she's like a reflection and it's like oh but anyway so Casper says well I bet he can't do this and he flies cat to the top of the lighthouse and they share this intimate moment where Casper admits that he doesn't remember anything about his family anything about his life before becoming a ghost and back at the house after they come down from the lighthouse cat is lying on her bed and she's saying that she's worried that
(37:29) she's starting to forget what her mom was like and she's worried that her own mom has forgotten her just like how Casper is forgotten his family so let me play the scene for you so cat worries that her mom has forgotten about her just like how Casper has forgotten his family and Casper says no one would forget about you and then cat starts to fall asleep and Casper asks if I were alive would you go to the Halloween dance with me and she's like mm she falls asleep and then he whispers cat can I keep you and when I watched this last year I
(38:14) could not breathe I was sobbing so hard at this part because that question is like such a child like sentiment and you know when we're kids and we find something that we like we ask our parents like please please can I keep it can I keep it and she's this precious treasure that he just wants to hold on to forever and when we were kids and we asked that like if it's a pet or something it's like we know our question is kind of outlandish and that the answer is probably going to be no and so when he asks her it's so tender and
(38:54) innocent it's like this gentle whisper because he knows that her real answer is going to break his heart and he can't help but wish anyway so yeah that I rewatched this a couple days ago and I was also sobbing again so that was one of my cry scenes I think it's also because I mean it's kind of unclear what decade he was alive but you can imagine that he had been alone for so so long and it's like he finally found a friend mhm and like God he just wanted to hold on to it yeah yeah [ __ ] Casper so anyway it's daytime
(39:39) cat's looking for a costume because suddenly the Halloween dance is that night again it's like day three but she finds a hidden toy room in the attic and Casper she calls him over and he suddenly remembers everything about his past he knows that he got sick from staying out in the cold his dad had bought him a sled for no reason other than he just wanted him to have the sled and he was so excited about it he stayed out late and he got pneumonia is presumably what happened and then that's how he passed but he
(40:12) remembers that his dad invented a resurrection machine that brings ghosts back from the dead called Lazarus biblical studies I thought we had a little Resurrection machine wait yeah so I'm not going to get into it but there's Antics there's lots of plot Casper's about to get back in the machine I'm skipping ahead like half an hour Casper is about to get back in the machine and then carrian the Devil Woman from the beginning shows up with dibs her poor dibs get over here dibs um so they sabotage Casper's attempt at
(40:58) resurrection and then cat's dad gets [ ] up at a bar with the ghosts so Rand yeah he gets [ ] up and then they're like let's make our Trio a quart quartet is that for and then they try to kill they they they mean to kill him and then he says something sentimental they're like oh never mind we can't kill him and then he walks outside and there's an open ditch right in front of the entrance to the bar and he dies so he's also a ghost so random but Antics antics um and so in the climax of the film Casper allows James to be resurrected
(41:35) instead even though he wants nothing more than to be human because he knows that cat's dad is the only person she has left and so all that's over Antics done plot done we're at the final scene this is my second cry scene Casper is super bummed he's upstairs in the playroom by himself and Cat's mom re appears as a spirit and she decides that Casper has been so brave that she lets him become huma
(42:08) n until the clock strikes 10 p.m. so he can go to the dance even for a little and the Halloween part is going on downstairs cat is also bummed and by herself in the corner even though she's the host she's still a loner cuz that's how it works his kids are dicks and suddenly this handsome young man descends the steps and makes his way to cat and she's perplexed but there's something familiar about him as he asks for her hand and then they begin to slow dance and she realizes it's Casper because he whispers in her ear can I keep you James is meanwhile watching
(42:46) from the staircase and his wife also appears to him as a spirit and he's so confused about why she's not a ghost and she says you and Cat loved me so well when I was alive that I have no unfinished business don't let me be yours so we're going to watch that scene all right uh can of a tissue all right so again when I watched this last year and this year could not stop crying and I think it's because watching this movie as a kid we think it's about a girl but def friending a little ghost and her eccentric dad who's trying
(43:31) to help these other three crazy ghosts pass and we loved it because it was cute and funny in this like really cheesy way this very '90s way so '90s so [ ] '90s but it humanized spirits and it made the supernatural not seem so scary I think that's why this is such a Beloved movie but as an adult when you look past all the antics and the plot and the bravado you realize that the characters are all navigating this deep deep loneliness you have a girl who just wants to feel like she belongs who just wants a friend she just wants a [ ]
(44:15) friend and you have a boy who just wants to dance with a girl and he knows it won't be like this forever and it's so tragic but being a human even for those precious moments is enough for him and then you have this man who is so afraid to be alone he doesn't want to accept that the love of his life has moved on because that would mean that she's moved on from him and their daughter and she doesn't need them anymore the way that he so desperately still needs her but then he realizes she's not moving on from him she's
(45:00) moving on because of him because the love that they gave her even for the short amount of time that she was alive it was enough for her so yeah I I feel like this movie yes sure it's about a Friendly Ghost but I think more than that it's this reminder that we all just want to be loved and we all just want to be made to feel like we're not alone that's all we want it's such a weird experience when you watch a movie as an adult that you totally watched as a kid because you realized like God I was so [ __ ] dumb
(45:40) I didn't understand this story yeah and then you realize like oh my gosh there is so much being told here yeah when I texted you last year about this I was rereading it I was telling you about how tragic it was at the very end where it was so brief the amount of time he could be human M it's like when I cry about it it's it's about something different you know like this time around it was I was crying more about the dad and it's like until the dad accepted that his love was enough for the mom and that he was
(46:15) enough for a cat he couldn't let go yeah when I rewatched it recently that was the part that I was like God he just like he couldn't let her go m- no I didn't didn't realize when I was young like oh that's why he was doing all of this Pro just for her yeah yeah H I miss Bill Pullman H what a guy what a guy Christina Richie what a gal Devon Sawa should I just name the whole cast yes please in order of appearance yes well I think we did did it no we haven't done it yet yet we haven't themes that we can pull from
(46:59) both stories ooh projection projection childlike Wonder childlike Wonder being unafraid of what's next being unafraid of I like that I like that yeah love in there somewhere always there always wa I was looking back on our notes I feel like every week it's about love what the [ ] else do we talk about I know I mean like that's we're just human yeah can you blame us yeah yeah we'll say that after every episode love somewhere love somewhere love always M Love Actually damn it I wanted to say that sorry [ ] dumb okay yeah now we did it yeah now we
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